opponent. there's a big difference between those two things. i think the tradition has been if a foreign government is trying to involve itself in the democratic process, senior campaign officials find out about it, that's a line where -- that's a place where a line is drawn. that line was not drawn here. we know now that russia did an enormous amount throughout the campaign to help president trump, going to the length of stealing e-mails from the dnc, from senior clinton campaign officials. we know that trump denied regularly and consistently up to a couple weeks ago it seem, until he took it back, that russia had done anything to help him. so no, i do think this is different. it's one thing to try to get opposition research on an owe poe meant to talk to -- owe pen opponent, to talk to other people but when you have a foreign spy service coming into the campaigned and a number of campaign officials taking a meeting, it's a different