she said we had a plan but they didn't actually have a very good plan for the other side of the issue when it comes time to either deport people or detain them in the united states, what were you going to do if you separated them from the children? >> bret: to her point, in part it's because it's so complex with the law and what congress passed and there's not a uniform -- it is -- they did think it was going to be a deterrent. don't come because you will get separated from her kids. >> they haven't made any progress with the settlement. the biggest barrier. people don't really oppose family detention, but the courts won't let them do it. >> bret: what about immigration is an issue on capitol hill? is there any chance of anything, even scaled back, before the midterms? >> i don't think so. donald trump a said many times he thinks immigration is a great issue for him and the midterms. it activates his base. he's thrilled every time a democrat talks about abolishing