today we hear from the russian ministry to try to drive a wedge between the president and his generals and saying there's undermining. that's not the message that we're hearing from secretary mattis and others. they believe it would be risky to work with the russians on the ground in syria. >> shepard: thank you. gordon chang is here. author of "nuclear show down." good to see you. >> good to see you. >> shepard: is there any evidence that the north koreans are beginning the process of denuclearizing? >> not yet. >> shepard: as if you think they might? >> they might that really depends on whether trump is really -- >> shepard: you sat in this studio with me for years and you have told me the same thing for years and years. you've said they have one crop, they have one voice in the world. it's through nuclear. without it, they have nothing. so you're telling me there's a chance now that they might be on the road to denuclearization?

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