passionate about this. my mom has a pre-existing condition. she has lupus. our healthcare rose under obamacare. we were doing fine. the cost was enormous. we got through it. but it was supposed to help us and didn't. a lot of americans, the data is out. it didn't help a lot of americans and that's why they elected republicans -- >> no, no, no. let's talk real policy. it's not about individual cases. as a real matter of real policy it's wrong for insurance companies to deny people healthcare coverage. full stop. there's nothing else to say here. everybody's premiums went up a little bit because of the affordable care act. >> it was supposed to go down. >> no. the reality of the matter is, to deny people coverage, to charge desperate pricing schemes based on the most minor pre-existing kids for age or gender is out.