>> rick: what's rudy guliani's motive to get this wrapped up by september. >> there's a political angle to all these cases. getting this wrapped up for the president's sake, taking this off the table, he's probably confident that there's not going to be any kind of collusion, in quotes, kind of charge and then he wants to take care of the obstruction of justice issue through an interview and be done with it. so i think he wants to at least provide an end date for the public and then provide an end date for his client to get it behind him. >> rick: you've represented a lot of clients in a lot of high profile cases. if president trump was your client, what would you advise him as he approaches this possible interview with bob mueller? >> you know, the client is entitled to do what he wants. presuming he ignored my advice not to testify at all or not to meet with him at all, which try to narrow the issue as much as possible and remind the president to talk only about what he personally knows. the president at least in public seems prone to sweeping statements, lots of always and