there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. you can't want to do it and not respect the laws. you can't do it under this president and i support that. >> neil: fair enough. direct-hohmann, thank you. >> thank you. >> neil: thomas hohmann, the acting ice director. switching gears here. interest rates are on the rise right now, a ten-year note hit a multiyear high of 3.1%. backed down a little bit. the reason why i want to mention this, senator rand paul with whom i wanted to chat yesterday makes the cost of the carrying dead more prohibitive. as interest rates go up, it's like your visa and interest rates go up. this is something that the senator is trying to stop right now with the balanced budget measure, which they'll be taking up tomorrow. senator, good to have you back. >> thank you. there's estimates that interest writ will be the largest item in