dismantle the protections under the affordable care act which would have taken tens of millions of people off the healthcare insurance. that is a big deal. it's not just blue places. that is red places. >> dana: obamacare got more popular when it was dismantled. >> once it was under attack people realized how much of a benefit they were receiving from the plan. this is really the signature plan of the obama administration. and i think people who are critical of it before said oh, my god, i don't want to be without it. >> dana: how frustrated were you with the super delegate process? i understand they are looking to change the process for 2020. would it have made the difference for bernie sanders? >> i don't know if it made all the difference but it would make a difference. the democratic party should be democratic. that means that the rank and the file of the party should choose who the nominee is. when you had at the beginning of the campaign, secretary clinton had 300, 400 super delegates already aligned with her. so you would see after iowa,