they do not have a single permanent infrastructure of the camera structures. they need roads. parallel to the border so they do not have to go out and around to chase people. they need all kinds of stuff. this is the most important impacted area of the border. >> tucker: let me ask. there is a picture of the screen. you took the shot. it shows chicken wire fence. right there. >> that is a smuggling trail under the fence. >> tucker: is that the border right there? >> no, that's not the border. that's 70 miles in from the border believe it or not up around the checkpoint that the border control has so the smugglers let people off before the checkpoint. they go around the, they pick them up on the other side of the checkpoint. >> tucker: what kind of affects wooded border wall having as part of texas? >> there is already fencing comparable to a border wall. it's hard to do it there. the river snakes around and around. where do you put it. wherever you put it, there are americans on the other side of the wall. this isn't like arizona. it's much more difficult. it would help in certain areas,