this immigration system is broken. the back door of illegal immigration needs to be shut and the front door of illegal immigration must remain open. but it needs to be fixed in a big way. from that standpoint, look, i think he's driving the right message here. let's go to work, members of congress, and the white house together. both parties can solve this problem. >> harris: you just did two things simultaneously. you explained part of what the president said on even the campaign trail, about the big beautiful door. i think people wondered about that. what you're saying is there's a back door of the legality. that flow coming in. and the front door of what is legal. that's what i understand you to be saying. you said we've never had control of our southern border. why is that? >> well, boy, there's a lot -- how much time do we have? there's lots of reasons for that. >> harris: how about the biggest one? >> no kidding. so now we have a president who is serious about enforcing our laws and he challenges us.