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replaced by rick perry. thoughts on that? >> i think rick will be good at anything he does. he has been a good governor, obviously. look, this is as i was telling you earlier, the reporters in the hallway have almost become this is just sort of normal and changes are occurring. and, you know, the president needs someone as secretary of state that he has a lot of faith in. and, again, i thought rex did a very good job. he has a great relationship with mattis, which is very unusual. and the two of them always go in on the same page. and i don't know pompeo very well. but i do hear very good things about him and look forward. he's going to be in the office later this week. i look forward to a good confirmation. >> laura: the thought is the internationalists, the interventionists in the republican party are kind of on the down slide and the more nationalists populist wing is on the ascendancy because, of course, pompeo is more in line with trump. tillerson is more, i think more in line with your thinking and what are your thoughts on that? is it better to have that

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