russia, really to soil the democratic process. he also wants to be perceived by his own people and the world at large as a standing toe to toe with best thanks to his asymmetric relatively inexpensive espionage operation. this was one waiting to be discovered. and then, it is waiting for us to do something about it. and he did not. >> and 16. i mean tell me a little bit about him. he is under sanction, was stationed in december because he has his concorde company mentioned in the indictment that apparently was building a base on the russian border near ukraine and even then they abused russian contractors. >> yes. reportedly he is known as an st. petersburg. the internet research agency another reason we should have been well aware that is because they been mounting anti-ukraine