our country. they were concerned with political elites not listening to them and they rallied behind donald trump and gave him about 46, 47% of the vote in the republican primaries. i'm not certain that oprah winfrey can tap into that same kind of -- tap into a similar vein of enthusiasm other than anti-trump-ism. if this is the best that democrats can do, elections tend to be reactions to the next election. the next election, the best avenue for the democrats is to say he wasn't up for the job, he has not demonstrated the ability to get things done. we cut somebody who has the ability to get things done. here what they are saying is if you like that kind of outsider, let us give you another outsider, neither of whom had any experience in that kind of field. >> martha: robert, i have to wonder if what happened is democrats looking hillary clinton and say she was a terrible candidate, but wow, oprah winfrey! all bets are off. >> as a matter of fact, to