early administrations before policies are released. now, clearly in fairness to the other side, there is a lot of interactions here with russians. a surprising degree. and i think people want to know the truth about all of this. whether we'll get more of this. >> bill: that's a very interesting answer. you have to think about how the trump policy may have been different from the obama policy as it relates to russia. general flynn was a man who went to the white house who believed if you can peel moscow away from beijing you can make the pivot to asia much easier. we can argue the merits of whether or not it was a good policy and whether or not something that is ultimately something that would work. but that was the mentality that people like general flynn brought to this job, sir. >> i think you're right. and he was -- he did have a lot of expertise in this area. i think that what you really see in these types of criminal charges is something that's all