cookies. before the 1998 paula jones deposition, she took bill down to the virgin islands and they can't debate ensues. pete: to your point as well, to rachel's point about the clinton legacy, with senator joe legrand coming out and saying he should resign and donna brazile at the book that no democratic power broker would have written when the clintons were in power at the shubert the primaries. do you see it changing? >> i do. this indicates pretty clearly that fear they used to be instilled in the entire democratic party if you cross the clintons you pay a huge price. i think that is feeding through the clintons are fading. the dynasty is fading. hillary is pretty desperate to try to keep a hold on it, but i don't think it's going to work. pete: one last afternoon. ed kline, author of the book.