and that's the number i always go with, but that's not the real number, it sounds like. >> in a sense it is, but it would be going up if we legalized more people. >> tucker: because of chain migration, which applies to all legal immigrants, that means you have a net gain of a lot more people than just that every year.l >> the long-term effect is enormous. for instance, the amnesties in the senate they are talking about, dream amnesties, they would amnesty 2 to 3 milliononre people, bigger than even the reagan amnesty of 30 years ago. double that number for the future over the next, say, ten or 20 years would come in because -- it's like -- remember there was an ad back in the '80s, a shampoo ad where a girl loved the shampoo so much she told two friends. they told two friendslo and so on and you had these multiplying images of her, that's what this is. this is, we give a green card to an immigrant. he sponsors two relatives. they sponsor two relatives. >> tucker: it's so dishonest. dan, how can people get away with saying that low-wage