white house and the policy agenda, but he cannot control donald trump, and he's not going to stop him from tweeting and dividing the nation through his tweets. let's just remember this: lebron james, maybe the most popular and talented athlete in the country, supported the players, not donald trump, and he has twice the number of twitter followers as donald trump. so in a popularity contest, i'm not even sure donald trump would win this one. arthel: well, when you talk about -- pop a lairty is one thing, but when you talk about presidential history, how will it treat president trump on this development? >> oh, i don't think we can possibly say yet. we are just at the beginning of this administration. even, arthel, i think we all have to say it feels as if he's been president for a long -- arthel: you know, i'm sorry, judy, i meant just on this particular issue when we look back on on this, how do you think the president will be
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