larger sense of life. that is a challenge for me. >> greg: what about you, kimberly? >> kimberly: creative outlets? >> greg: yes. >> kimberly: it's not shopping. i don't enjoy shopping. is that strange? i want to have what i need to have. creative outlet. i really enjoying reading. >> greg: reading is fun. kili like good movies. i like food. going to eat dinner. >> jesse: that is not creative outlet. >> kimberly: oh! >> jesse: creative outlet. >> kimberly: i'm creative. reading. that is what i do for fun. i'm not a painter. >> greg: you know what i do? i get up in the middle of the night. i get my dog and go for a long walk in central park. >> gillian: how is that