what ronald reagan did in the early 1980s, winning back really blue collar unions, the manufacturing trades, the constructions trades. i think the key word here is split. because in a number of other labor movements, for instance, the teacher's unions or federal, state, and local worker unions, there still really is a split there and they lean very heavily to democrat and democratic causes at this moment. pete: look at history, of course, unions have been in lock step with democrats for a long time. >> right. pete: when was the split where democrats decided they were going to put, say, environmental issues, value them higher than labor unions? is it the amount of money being spent there? they are willing to leave votes on the table. which the president through policy and his rhetoric has been able to pull in? >> on environmental, this is where it gets interesting. i think there was a coalition related to trade.