man and has done more than joe scarborough had done in his life. you can challenge him on the issues. you can take him on certain personality traits. but when you start attacking him you get no respect and you don't reserve respect either. >> so don't have these guys in the same greenroom you could have trouble. >> i'm nervous. >> jesse: let me tell you about healthcare. i've said the health care bill coming out is not going to be perfect. we know obama care is far from perfect. what you want to see happen? >> i think it's a disaster. i think with the senate is doing is a disaster. the american people cannot even tell you what the senate is doing. people are going to a dr., they want to have access to a dr. and it access to procedures they need and surgeries they need. they don't want long waiting times at a reasonable price. how do we get there? do we get there through the centralized government type system? people do you know in america go to canada for healthcare? how many people in america go to britain for dental care? how many people go to france for