president trump has continued ol that path, it may be even more aggressively because now he's throwing out people with traffic tickets. but the idea is, you shouldn't demonize all immigrants or even all illegal immigrants because the statistics that greg and i have argued over show they have a lower rate of criminal behavior than people who are here as native citizens. >> greg: they are competing statistics, juan. >> juan: we have argued this. >> greg: state and local have higher compared to overall publishing, but when you look at other states, is lower. >> juan: a conservative group says that's wrong. >> greg: because there are competing statistics, don't look at them and just look at the problem of illegal immigration. >> kimberly: exactly. >> greg: they look at illegal immigration is a separate issue. >> juan: okay, so let's look at it you illegal immigration and remember. president bush tried to gett something done. guess what, the talk radio host on the right said no. president obama tried to getai