founding -- >> tucker: you're started to lose me. >> let me get to it. we believe all men are created equal, when someone likens people of color to monkeys, that resonates for some people to be beyond the pale of acceptable american values, right?na because if our country is based on an idea that we are all equal, then you cannot -- right -- an argument whether some people are below human. that to me is something that does not belong on a campus. >> tucker: you don't like it and i don't either and i think that's an awful sentiment and i would never defend it, and yet both of us are bound as americans to defend the right of people to express views that we disagree with, even if we consider them repugnant or wron wrong. short of inciting imminent violence, we have to say i disagree with you, here's the counter case, here's why you are wrong, here's why you shouldn't say things like that. but we cannot prevent people from expressing what they believe. that is the essence of our democratic values, and you don't seem to understand that. >> so you would stand up for