don't even have a standing to sue, meaning they can only sue if they been harmed, and they haven't. they are claiming the people in those states are harmed, and at the obligation of those a lemming harmed. if the justice department wins and the states of washington and minnesota appeal to the supreme court, i don't think the supreme court will hear it. if the states went and at the justice department appeals to the supreme court, i think the supreme court will hear it because a supreme court is interested in the orderly administration of governmental function, and this is profoundly disorderly for a single federal judge to stop the president from examining people with more care as they enter the country. >> martha: judge, thank you. or get more breaking news on this, we'll come back to you. good to see you tonight. boris epstein is a special assistant to the president. good evening to you. you've been hearing all of this back and forth. one of the questions in my mind in terms of white house strategy, here you are, you