begin the border wall, border patrol chief mark morgan wound up resigning from his position. but did his appointment in the first place say more about president trump's feelings about the border than anything else? for more we turn to national association border patrol officers board member david ward who joins us today from seattle. david, good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: all right. as is customary, when there is an incoming administration you ask for everybody always puts their resignation on the boss' desk. he accepts some of them. he took this guys. you say this is a good thing for america because you didn't like this guy to start with. why? >> it's not so much that i didn't like the guy. in the 93-year history of the border patrol, this is the first individual who had absolutely no border patrol experience in any of the rank and file to make it to the position of the chief of the border patrol. he weighs fbi agent and i'm sure he was an expert with the fbi but not with the border patrol. steve: sure. >> have you an individual that had no back ground in the