you take california out of mix, and this is a different popular vote election. are we going to let california decide every presidential vote? >> but the electoral college is irrelevant -- >> it's constitutional. >> let me finish my sentence and maybe i'll teach you a little bit about it, how's that? it is set up by hamilton so electors would make a decision for themselves -- >> they did. >> that's not the way it is now. most statesman date that their electors follow the popular vote in that particular state. >> several didn't yesterday. they were able to make their own decisions, katrina, some were not good for the president-elect and not good for mr. clinton. >> to bud's point, he's right, washington state, they can fine them up to $1,000, and guess what, they defected against hillary anyway. but the bigger point here, this wouldn't even be a story if hillary had won. there would be no discussion about the electoral college. this is just another attempt, by the mainstream media, to