>> absolutely. i did not vote for the debt ceiling increases when president bush was in office, that was seven out of eight years he was in office. we raised the debt ceiling, and we have raised the debt ceiling seven out of six years or seven years under president obama. the american people want somebody to get a handle on this out of control spending. we're headed to a $20 trillion in a year. >> you heard the rap against guy likes you who bemoan these things and bemoan budgets and say you're always scaring people, but now you have a little built of a legitimate axe to grind here because with rates ticking up the carrying cost for the debt tick up a lot as well. >> well, neil, 2,000 page bill, we had 57 hours to read it, and you know what, there's so much pork in there. that's why i had the mask on. i don't know how much -- when you're around pork spending that means you're around pigs. how much -- >> i like what you're doing here to make the point. you were using a sword, though,