the trial is set to begin early next year. with me is an aca level 2 kayak instructor and guide. you said that you paddle daily and have been a certified guide instructor for four years. tell us about the kayak that angelique and vince were using. >> it's really kayaks that you use on flat water,lakes and ponds, stuff like that. >> so those are recreational? >> yeah they're recreational. you sit inside them, you have a skirt that goes around your torso that would keep water out of your kayak, an they didn't have that, so water can get in. >> so water can get in easier without a skirt? >> if you're in tough water. >> where is the drain of the kayak? >> the drain is at the back of the kayak just behind where you grab it the to move it.