a hole in lower manhattan. you get back to the vegas problem. you're not going to get ideal solutions out of the middle east, but you can get less than catastrophic outcomes which is what we have now. >> if we had killed osama bin laden the day before 9/11, that would have been good. but look at the big picture, the problem in the middle east is we haven't been involved. haven't we been very involved for my entire life? >> the problem we've had is the middle east going down the toilet in the last seven years. we've had a president with a biding philosophy with ron paul -- >> i don't think it's rooting out ron paul's philosophy. >> he's ron paul-like. >> not even close. >> we have to wrap this up. because this is starting to sound like an intelligent show. and i'm here to stop that. i want to ask the liberal panel,
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