let's have a fair and balanced debate. darby fox is a therapist specializing in behavior and psychotherapist tom kearsing works with a lot of kids in this demographic. darby let's start with you. you think it's probably a pretty good idea to lower the drinking age back to 18, 19, 20? >> i would probably do it to age 19. because then most people are out of high school. and i think it's really important that we do that because we're seeing a huge increase in deaths from the 18 to 24 population because of the way they drink. >> you're talking about binge drinking? >> binge drinking, yep. we pushed it into gaming and in the closet. it's very dangerous. we're seeing deaths as opposed to high school dropout rates. there's a big difference. >> that's one of the things, tom, that i have heard from college admissions deans. they said, you know, if your kid has had a drink before they come to college, they come to college, it's no big thing. but if they haven't, they go to college and they go crazy. >> that's a possibility. but my argument, i completely disagree, i think it's a