debate. fox had its way, cnn has its way. frankly, if judy and i were running the debate, we might even do it differently, okay? [laughter] i think when whoever is the front runner has to answer, i think that's a standard. go ask the front runner who -- and give them the respect of being taken seriously. in a three-hour debate, i think everything gets evened out. what an amount of time to watch even with the unwieldy 11 people on stage. so i think the front-loading of trump maybe was a good show business calculation too because we didn't want to see him. i think everything leveled out in the end, and if somebody really wanted to say something, there was men bety of time to -- plenty of time to elbow your way in. jon: it seemed to be a less combative donald trump on stage. is that by design, judy? is he trying to mellow his message and maybe win new fans thereby? >> well, i think he is, and he's very good at reading the public and understanding when the bloom