strong. >> gary b., what do you think of that? >> i'm not going to be elected. >> i think we're in big trouble, brenda. look, if we don't stop this increasing debt via the debt ceiling, we're going to be worse off than greece. here's why. most people normally look at debt as a percentage of gdp. and not too bad. i think we ranked like 34th or something. we're like 61% in that regard. say, okay, we're okay. but really we pay off our debt through tax revenues. there our debt to tax knews is 408%. you know where we rank, brenda? third. japan is first, greece at 475% is second. we're 408%, brenda. that should send a warning signal. we have a higher ratio than portugal, spain, and some of these other countries in misery. if that doesn't put things into perspective that we need to somehow either through a balanced budget, clamping the debt ceiling, somehow, some way, we're going the wind up like