>> not where she thought at this point. i don't know if biden and warren did rock, paper scissors -- [laughter] but if i'm joe biden, i'm looking at the field going, why wouldn't i get in? she's vulnerable. >> the democrats have a weak bench. who do they really have that is going to capture the general election? biden is likable. i'd rather run against hillary in a heartbeat. hillary is someone people don't want to like, she has so much baggage. biden's baggage is over 35 years long with national security, with bad decisions back in the wrong programs, but he's likable to the base, to dependents, and he's a dangerous candidate, and i see hillary as being the perfect candidate for the republicans to run against. >> he's like the ed mcmahon of the democratic party. [laughter] >> i think he's got a little bit of donald trump going because we do know he has been a gaffe master. when you're in a season of where bernie sanders and donald trump, people want them to speak