even more to that extreme would actually make hillary look better. >> i haven't had -- >> carly has made a payroll. carly understands that concept. we need someone in the white house that can make a difference. not talk the talk or and walk the walk. >> i'm not arguing she's not qualified. i want to make that clear. i just think she's not the right candidate. >> what about the idea being discussed as a vice presidential candidate, potentially. this is very potential at this stage. but some people saying it's sort of sexist to dismiss her and relegate her to the second tier. is it? >> no, i don't think so. it's not any more sexist than ferarro being candidate for walter -- >> but she's running ashopeful. right now they're saying in essence she'd make a great v.p. >> it's a realization she probably is not going to win the nominati nomination. >> you don't know. are you psychic? >> i can pretty much guarantee