if we have to build a gigantic center in utah to keep track of phone numbers how big a center would we need to have in order to keep the digital tapes of everybody who is having a telephone conversation. it's simply does not happen. >> karl, would you have ever envisioned in your day in the white house with president bush you would have had an agency, maybe not listening in on cals about collect 12000:00:00 phone records from verizon. would you have envisioned that? >> we have had access to these records before, and some of the opponents of the patriot act want to keep the record ted phone company. the government made it quicker and easier to check connections because in fighting terrorism time is often the most important thing. we will still have -- you have the u.s. freedom act with ted cruz and others who are opponents in 2015 saying, just keep them at the phone call. senator paul during his speech last night indicated that this might be a compromise that was