so i would not collect phone records without a warrant with someone's name on it with the i'ds we were looking for and with probable cause. so i would end the program that we have of bulk collection immediately. >> i should add that a review panel concluded that the program had not been critical to disrupting any terrorist plots in the u.s.. do you know of any success with this program? did it do anything for protect us that you know specifically? >> i know of no one that was ever caught or stoppedprotect us that you know specifically? >> i know of no one that was ever caught or stopped from this program. they say it was used in conjunction with other information, but typically we have information of an individual like the guy that did the shooting from phoenix, we knew his name. i'm all for look at his information. i'm for calling a judge and saying we know this guy simpson in phoenix and he's doing x, will you give us a warrant for his phone. if i was a judge, i would have said yes. but i don't want to look at everybody's phone records in phoenix, i want to look at the guy that we have probable cause to look at hitss records. >> senator, thank you very much.