and erase boko haram from the planet without apology risk american lives and reject the idea that the moral action was expansionism. that to me is a grave cop-out. we are going to rid the world of evil, or else we are just guilty of ocean privilege. >> in this particular case however, i do think there is a united states national securities imperative. that's because boko haram and isis have tried to link up, make a partnership and alliance. so i think there is -- you could make a case for having more u.s. involvement to try to help them ward off the possible connection. >> now there's no excuse to not get involved and be proactive. >> we live in a world where we cannot look away from things. it's literally a phone booth. we can see everything. we can't escape atrocity. it's in our faith. >> i agree.