speaking about? >> well, it's a very difficult issue and very difficult problem that multiple administrations have grappled with. the issue is, i think, comps down to trust. can you trust the iranians? a lot of members of congress are saying, look, we struck a similar deal with north korea and they broke it. so they don't see much difference between iran and north korea. the administration says this is the only way to get a deal to make sure that they don't go after and try to make a nuclear weapon. but i don't think there's any easy solution here, shep. just a matter of trust. >> okay. if you don't trust them, then what you whatnot to be able to do is monitor them. right? under some sort of deal -- i don't know what it would be whether it would be good or bad -- but we would be able to monitor, the international community would be in abc sense of a deal there's no monitoring. that only leaves one thing to stop them, just one. nothing else. no other option except bombing the hell out of them, and the moment you bomb the hell out of