than most of americans on such issues, especially on surveillance and that kind of thing. many people do think we overstep. you're right this is not a politically popular movement, but there are people who have grievances and there are abuses and excesses. >> as long as they're legitimate -- >> because they're bad apples doesn't mean the fact country need to be traaddressed. >> if people feel they're not getting good policing or fair shake from people who have power over them, they absolutely should demonstrate. you should tell us why and exactly what. >> many people are doing that. >> i'm going to leave you with this. if you're going to hold up your hand and say hands up, don't shoot, when 15 eyewitnesss -- >> that's symbolism. >> symbolism. all right. >> you're right. >> find another symbol that's accurate, juan, and i might respect it. good debate, you guys. directly ahead, on some liberal college campuses exams are postponed because of