we had this same conversation in 2008 when sarah palin, when running for vice president, had her personal e-mail hacked and talked about whether news organizations could publish those materials. and i told you back then, when it was a republican who was the victim, that they could do it. i tell you now that it's liberal hollywood executives at the news organizations can do it. i told you in both circumstances, i maintain this as well, the original hacker, of course, can be prosecuted. in palin's case he was. they believe it's north korea. >> you know, you know, what, sony made a movie that mocks the president of north korea. >> the plot line is kim jong-un gets assassinated. >> the north korean intelligence agencies hacked in and embarrassed -- >> that's the belief. they deny it, of course. >> the fbi is in charge of tracking down the hackers. but it's really hard to do that because most of them are overseas and go through a million different myriad ways to get in. >> even if you get them, it's out there. it's out there. >> it's out there. you can still send them to jail