the oval office? >> well, he was clearly key both to the earlier romney care and then to obama care. and they relied heavily on his numbers, his analysis. and, of course, today he was very bad at remembering any numbers, even the numbers of contracts and dollars he received. he's pretty uneasy about the fact that he made a lot of money, federal and sate, delita delivering data that so far isn't turning tout be tr-- out true, even that comment about cbo had to push and constrain to make it look balanced, he couldn't seem to understand that they collect taxes for ten years and only give services for six years and that was always part of the plan. >> so he lied to the cbo, he wrote the bill purposefully in a tortured way. everything about this, keeping your plan, keeping your doctor, saving money, the mandate's not a tax, do you believe that this