we'll try to do this behind the scenes because i don't want to delay the hearing for what is proven to be, mr. mica, i will seek additional time for you if we can get the information. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> miss norton is recognized for five minutes. >> excuse me. i want to thank you, mr. chairman, again, for your friendship, for your service and for the respect you have shown for the american citizens who live in the district of columbia who demand to be treated as free and equal americans. you have always done that. appreciate your work on this committee. very difficult committee and i sympathize. dr. gruber, i accept your apology. i'm not going to question you further. martha: congresswoman eleanor holmes norton now speaking. we just watched congressman issa try to get jonathan gruber admit how much federal money he got