suspect was doing as he was trying to facilitate a balance of the suspect being pulled rearward so they could get him on the ground because of his size. i understand that part. that wasn't a chokehold. it wasn't tied up. the arm came around the neck. >> i want to get more evidence -- i want to see the evidence in this case like we did in ferguson. because while it may sound like a small detail, i want to know how much the jury heard about chokeholds versus headlocks. because a chokehold is illegal. a headlock is not illegal for the police to use. a chokehold would be go after the carotid arteries here and squeeze and if you do it right within 16 seconds you will choke somebody out and they will be unconscious. if you go for the trachea or windpipe, you can literally kill somebody, that's illegal by every police department standards. it may sound technical, but it really isn't in this case, is it? >> no, it is very technical in