happened and it was very troubling. i don't think the police officer meant to kill mr. garner. i don't think he went in with that. he meant to stop him from resisting arrest. are you with me so far? do you agree with me so far? >> i disagree in the sense that the grand jury saw evidence i don't know what they saw in addition to what we saw, there is no way, bill, you could look at that vape and come back with a no indictment, period. we can go all around the block here when you are applying something that's against department policy, it's caught on tape. the coroner once again says it's a homicide. how do you come back with no indictment? hereby is my point. in grand jury system is becoming a fraud. prosecutors now, because they want to act like this was done under due process, they turn to these grand juries grand juries continue to turn back -- it to send out these no indictments and the value of black life in this country continues to --