wrongdoing. martha: jason ch ge jay -- jasoz was in that hearing and he will in the hearing today. let's go back to last night for a moment in terms of koskinen and what he had to say. is there any indication to you that he who was brought in to figure out what happened and get the irs under control is making a conscious evident to shake the bushes and figure out what's going on there? >> we have lost total confidence in the commissioner. he has not been candid and forthright. when you know sock is wrong you have a duty and obligation to ask those people under subpoena to ask for documents and that information. hide the document is not the game we appreciate in the united states congress. martha: it appears the mo is to ride it out. you have got to go in there and