>> that was something else. he stuck with the public defender and now he is not getting sympathy from the judge. >> i liked how the jury applauded. joe app, you go to -- joanne you go to court for a lot of reasons. you are paying off bills and things and good luck with that. >> these payment plans are helpful. >> do they require you to go to the judge's apartment? >> no in my apartment i watch judge judy. and that's why i love judge judy. she wouldn't lift a finger. all of these people were -- are beneath her. >> she wouldn't want to touch them. >> as much ace like the fact the judge is like this is my room and you can't say this or act this way toward me, come on, man. you are a judge. be a little holier than thou. >> he sunk himself to their level. an -- andy, do you think this is how we will hear the story?