terrible, terrible ordeal for the last five years and he no doubt suffered terribly at the hands of the taliban. i'm sure he was abused by them. he has suffered terribly. but the price we have paid for this is so high. >> not worth it? >> i would have done everything possible to try to find another way. i would not have released those five. i would have done something else. >> all right. you know 'cause -- >> you want to save every american you can, but -- there is a limit to what you do. if someone seizes a city and sakes we won't attack this city if you give us this weapon or this or that. there are certain lines you don't cross when doing these things. >> and we crossed it. gary joining us from beautiful tampa, florida, thank you very much. >> thank you. what do you think about that? e-mail us. meanwhile, 20 minutes after the top of the hour. coming up, the president's green agenda about to put one rancher