messenger matters. you just made that point. i'm giving you that. if the messenger matters, then care matters and care, according to u.s. senator chuck schumer -- >> take -- >> excuse me, excuse me mr. hooper -- >> and that was just part one. tomorrow you will see how mr. hooper responded when challenged about care's tactics for attacking some of its critics and we'll have a little discussion about the criticism that they have faced. we also asked to speak with the university president frederick m. lawrence shown here. the school refused to make anyone available. our offer still stands. right now we're joined by the woman at the center of this. she's a fellow at the bellford center at the harvard kennedy school and my gust now. good to have you here. can i get your reaction to that exchange that i just had with mr. hooper? >> well, first of all, megyn, i

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