>> it's crazy. i'm on team bolling. i don't think bureaucrats should be playing investors and using our money, picking winners and losers. i thought the government was all about leveling the playing field. you're not leveling the playing field when you're picking businesses that are winners and allowing the other ones to lose. why are we investing money in a business that only provides cars to customers that are very, very wealthy? that doesn't seem very fair to me. >> all right. juan, we've spent, the american taxpayer spent over $150 billion on some of these programs, these green energy initiatives over the years, over the last six years, in fact. what do we have to show for you it? >> jobs, jobs, jobs, and anytime we can have -- >> solyndra. >> a leadership role in terms of innovation and research, we should as an american people go after it. we don't want to give that away to chooin ina or the germans or anyone else. how can you speak clearly and say we don't give subsidies to those oil companies. >> we shouldn't be. we shouldn't give subsidies to any industry.