phones, they're still ringing, not going directly to voice mail, haven't run out of batteries. the teenaged passenger who said in 2011, with the same pilot that he just opened up the cockpit and let her in, which won the have made sense? >> well, it wouldn't make sense, but presumably it's happened. depending on the airline the security measures relative to getting on the airplane, in addition to security measures while you're on the aircraft itself do vary, technically there are international standards, i think from my experience and your experience, they're not always followed universally, and that again there's got to be international standards which have to be enforced. if you had a co pilot on a previous occasion, it was letting civilians into the cockpit, shouldn't have been suspended, shouldn't be banned. >> last question, because of your position as homeland security secretary for a long