know, that exchange between issa and cummings was, it was a tv moment. so we as tv people we see a moment like that, we put it on tv and discuss it. so i see why they talked about that. but to ignore the substance of what was actually happening. what they were there to have a hearing about is a different matter altogether, brent. >> yeah, megyn, you do expect tv moments on tv. i don't have a problem with that. here is the problem you have. look, i do believe that this irs scandal is bigger than watergate. and i think if you look at it objectively, you can conclude that. if you look at it, it becomes more and more apparent there were serious crimes committed. the only question is how far up the ladder does this reach? i fought back in 1997, 1998 with iran contra. if you remember, it was piddly stuff compared to this. day in and day out, all-day