i don't need anymore hurdles to persuade wealthy people to give me five and ten mental dollars checks. i had one case of one person i'm working on for a $5 million gift, and he called me up and said, why should i give you money when the pope says i'm a bad guy. i said the pope didn't say you're a bad guy. the pope is informed by his own experience in argentina where you have crony capitalism. there isn't one thing he said i said in the interview -- didn't even pronounce my name right. one more thing about great joe biden. i think he made a half million dollars last year and gave $3,000 to charity. shame on him. >> is he going to help? >> he's not going to hell. i'm not going to hell. >> i don't know -- wait a minute. the pope -- i can't figure that out. >> i'm sure you brought up joe biden. >> don't like him.